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February 16, 2007

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Ben Kimball

I like this idea, but I'm wondering how we'd create the retail analogue of the version control system. Without that, I suspect Wikipedia really wouldn't work.

On the other hand, it's much easier to delete a year's worth of work on Wikipedia than it would be to do the analagous thing (make a huge pile of books in the middle of the floor?) in a retail store. And for a vandalism operation of that scope, it would be hard to stay anonymous (i.e., someone would notice).

Let's simulate this online, as far as is possible, using (say) the Amazon API. ¿Es posible?

Matthew King

Such a scheme would suffer from some of the same debilitating weaknesses as Wikipedia.

For instance, conservatives already have trouble with leftist bookstore employees hiding controversial books, or using them to prop up table legs.

The selection bias that operates in bookstore hiring wouldn't be as extreme with the general population of book buyers, however.

masukomi

I think the missing ingredient here is RFID tags on all books along with shelves that can read those tags. Because there just aren't enough copies of a book in stock to satisfy all the possible locations people would want you're still going to need to be able to find things in places you wouldn't expect. As long as i can walk over to a computer and it can tell me exactly where the book is i don't really care how the store is organized.

It'd have the side benefit of making your inventory system be constantly up to date.

motz

i think you have given the answer already in your own writing: even in an old fashioned bookstore there are people working who are creating their own wiki with some google ads in between. they tag their shelfs as they want it and you are even today wonderingly walking around, as they provide you with some "serendipitous discoveries". i don't see any difference, just a different wording.

motz

perdoname. wouldn't it be nice to be able to correct my own typos here? sometimes there are features, i would appreciate, but now i fear i have to live with it.

Bill Seitz

The difference is that a wiki page can be linked to from any other wiki page.

But a (copy of a) book can be in only 1 place at a time.

Maybe with an RFID in each book, and an in-store network that customers could access with their WiFi mobile... then they could (a) find a copy of a book no matter where it had been put, and (b) browse alternative connections among books.

David Bock

No matter how you slice the organization, you are gingto have an issue when it is time to restock. I wouldn't want to be the poor schmuck who has to run around the store and figure out it this copy goes in Computers or Photography...

There is a huge camera store in New York City called B&H. While the center of the store is filled with accessories like camera bags, all of the interesting stuff is behind the counter... You shop through a catalog, take a tag to an employee, they punch a number into a computer, anda minute later, a basket comes whizzing over your head on those rolly-conveyor belts. You get to look at, touch, and play with your camera stuff right there. I suspect a big part of this is security, but this could be converted into convenience at a bookstore.

Do somthing like that, but take the people out of the loop. If I were sitting in front of a computer surfing an Amazon-line site, where I could see all the reviews, pictures, categories, etc, but then have a little door next to me open up and show me the book - like a replicator from Star Trek - that would be useful. the books can be stored in the basement sorted hoever is most efficient.

I go to a real bookstore to make spontaneous purchases, to 'see' the book, and when I absolutely can't wait a day or two to get it. With the bookstore in the basement and a computer and dumwaiter system, all that real-estate could be used for stuff that would draw me in for other reasons - a coffee shop, a book study group, dramatic readings, etc.

Sam Aaron

It's interesting that you write this post now. It was only yesterday when I wandered in to the local Blackwells to check out the computing section. I haven't done that in a couple of years, since Amazon has pretty much answered all my book needs.

I was totally shocked by the sheer reduction in decent books from what I could remember (there were very few O'Reilly books on the shelves, and no pragpress books). All I saw was a complete mess of a set of shelves, with books seemingly placed in random order.

It is nice to be able to touch a book before you buy it, however, I find most of the value is in finding new books, and reading reviews. This is clearly much more difficult when the range of books is severely limited, and the organisation is so poor.

It's going to take something big to steal my custom from Amazon.

Chris Rimmer

It is true that books often end up in the wrong place because the bookstores decide themselves where a book should go. I once picked up a copy of a book on the "Unified Modelling Language" for next to nothing because it was in the Language Section along with texts on Linguistics. They had to reduce it because no-one was buying it...

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